Wednesday, November 09, 2005

Origins of the Universe


A short break from 'neutrality' for an alternative discussion: (though all discussions by implication have associations with neutrality!)
Here are a few options for 'origin of the universe':
['universe' = "everything that exists anywhere". However, for the purposes of this discussion, I intend to expand this definition to "...anywhere and anywhen"]
1. A deity created it.
2. It was produced by the big bang.
3. It has no origin, and has existed 'forever'.
4. It originated at its own end (it is a product of circular time - its end is its beginning.)
5. It is a tiny part (piece of dirt) in an inconceivably larger universe (someone's backyard).
6. It does not exist.
Here are my replies:
1. To be terribly unoriginal: what is the origin of the deity? The answer to this question would usually be suggestion #3 above, in which case this suggestion can be considered implicitly there. This would usually be backed up by the definition of most 'gods' as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. 'omnipresent' one can assume, means not only present at all places simultaneously but also present at all times simultaneously; thus, without 'determination'. To accept this suggestion would be total rebellion against logic, and would require a vast leap of faith. Further, this suggestion requires defining the deity in question as somehow outside the meaning of 'everything'. Interestingly, in both Egyptian and Greek myths, the first gods are themselves borne out of the 'void' or 'chasm of darkness'. This implies a sort of neutral absence of matter, or a lack of anything, and hence an exception to the requirements of the definition of universe ['absolute absence' is not contained within 'everything']. This, of course, presents the additional problem of creating 'something' from 'nothing'. However, as shall be seen, any of these suggestions requires just that.
2. The same question applies: what is the origin of the big bang? In this case, however, there are no theological (and untestable) answers. Perhaps one might say that the big bang was created by the total compression of a previous universe (a common theory), in which case this suggestion becomes a subcategory of suggestion #4 (but a cycle of matter rather than time). Clearly, though the big bang may well be an answer to the question "What created this, our present universe?", it is not an answer to "What is the origin of the universe."
3. This answer is pretty similar (as already suggested) to #1. In other words, it requires an illogical leap of faith. 'Illogical' only because, at present, there is no logic known to man's philosophies to support it. The simple point is that man cannot conceive of infinite time, it is not within our current capacity. This, although a philosophic possibility, is no more acceptable than belief in creation by deity.
4. This suggestion suggest looping time. Implicit in such a suggestion is the concept of 'closure'. In other words, this loop creates a concept of a 'closed loop' of time. The problem with 'closure' is that it is completely incompatible with any concept of the infinite. And the problem with that is that anything which is not infinite must, by definition, have 'room' for something more along its axis of existence. For example, if one were to think of time as being represented in one dimension (a piece of string), non-circular time is an infinite length of string whereas if one loops the piece of string along a curved single dimension (such as the circumference of a sphere) then that leaves room for other (spheres) on either side. Of course, it could be suggested that this 'extra room' is merely a repetition of the journey around the same circumference. Essentially, it seems to me that looped time, as a concept, cannot account for "everything that exists anywhere and anywhen".
5. This is clearly not an answer, but a mere (and vain) attempt to explain the infinite. It is perfectly obvious that were one to pursue this line one could progress through an infinite series of 'universes' and be absolutely none the wiser.
6. This is really a question for Descartes, and another time. "I think, therefore I am."
So where does this leave us? I would suggest it leaves us thoroughly without an answer. I would like to think that the answers lies somewhere in between it all. It seems to me that there may be a fabric of 'existence' the like of which we cannot presently conceive; a 'divine state' if you like. This fabric would be capable of being at the same time 'neutral' [nothingness] and yet still possess an inherent potential. This would be the 'void' out of which the gods sprung.
Hundreds of years ago people believed that rotten meat turned into flies...
....Will we one day craft a microscope powerful enough to see the egg out of which we hatched?

7 Comments:

Blogger zandperl said...

Interesting thought process. Cosmologists do currently think the #5 option, that it is a part of a larger universe of universes (sometimes called branes), and you're perfectly right that it's just begging the next question of where they come from.

When I think about our universe, I tend to think in logarithms, that is instead of counting

0 seconds, 1 second, 2s, 3s, ....

I count

...0.001s, 0.01s, 0.1s, 1s, 10s, 100s, 1000s, ...

While the former series has a start (0 sec) but no end, the latter has neither a start nor an end. Zero seconds doesn't happen in the logarithmic scale, and certainly not negative times, and so we never have to worry about where the universe came from or what existed before it.

Yeah, it's kinda cheating, but it does accurately describe how often "interesting" things happen in the universe.

7:05 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I lean toward Multiverse theory myself. Infinite progression of universes in which cosmic events (black hole formation, for instance) spawn new universes.

An object of mass, the closer it comes to the speed of light, increases in mass. At the speed of light such an object would reach infinite mass - the universe as we know it is finite, and the introduction of infinite mass into finite space is obviously problematic.

So such an object would, in my little (and no doubt flawed) theory, reach infinite mass and Big Bang into its own universe, and on and on. No doubt someone with an elementary knowledge of physics would knock me down, but the point is still there...

http://www.livejournal.com/users/anonymouswhiner

8:48 am  
Blogger Matt McGrath said...

zandperl: an interesting outlook. As for whether your logarithmic scale has a start and an end, it's really Zeno's paradox - each step half the length of the prior. It had no abstract philosophic start or end, but really it's just another way of expressing the infinite which may or may not be correct (or possible). For example, in Zeno's paradox, though he philosphically 'proves' that it's not possible for anyone to walk from a point A to a point B, we know full well that it is possible. Equally, it may well be that by expressig the infinite as you do, you try to make it endless and startless, but it may, nonetheless, have a start and an end beyond our current means of perception...

anonymous: Presently the problem with your suggestion is that according to Einstein it is absolutely impossible for any object to reach the speed of light. You can try to disprove him if you like. (I myself tend to think it must be possible - but who the hell am I to question Einstein?) Otherwise, it's a pretty sweet idea.

Wonko: Yep... But that still doesn't produce a start or an end... It just creates "a" universe with a start and an end, not otherwise solving the 'everything anywhere and anywhen' trans-universe question.

Storm: YEAH!

thro: cheers buddy (on behalf of all commentators herein). To think the philosophy carnival rejected a submission of mine on "Neutrality and the Greek Gods." Shocking.

5:58 am  
Blogger Matt McGrath said...

Isn't it anti-matter deuterinium crystals?

11:51 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a problem with time. Something funny with the big bang, and our limited, inductive, understanding of time and causality.

Essentially, the big bang works. it creates itself, or something weird like that outside our own experience. I find it best to leave that sort of stuff to the astrophysicists.

10:19 am  
Anonymous Badoo said...

The next time I read a blog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as much as this one. I imply, I know it was my option to learn, but I actually thought youd have something attention-grabbing to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about something that you would fix when you werent too busy on the lookout for attention.

11:16 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Einstein did not say that nothing could achieve the speed of light. Radiation, such as light, routinely travels at the speed of light. Information, the theory states, may not be transmitted beyond the speed of light. Matter, at the speed of light, is light/energy.
Physics-St. Olaf

3:13 pm  

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